Interview with the Restructuring Expert Dr. Lars Westpfahl
Martin Hammer
April 1, 2020
LW: At the moment, we recommend that our clients always follow all the possibilities that are now opening up on the part of the state as closely as possible and then make full use of all the options – from short-time work benefits to tax-relevant deferral options and state aid. And since we are dealing with a lot of corporations that are not only active in Germany but also abroad, we also recommend that you examine the government support options in those countries as well.
In any case, one should start now to examine his or her possibilities and to take advantage of them. There are a number of companies that are directly, immediately, and fully affected. And then there are some companies that are not yet directly affected, but we also say to them: you’d better take time now to make sure your liquidity is holding together and to look at all these measures, because in a few weeks – potentially even longer – you will need your liquidity.
LW: Most definitely the speed. What happened in 2008 and how quickly the conditions changed back then – that was enormous even from the perspective of that time. I recall how quickly, for example, large parts of our firm were only concerned with crisis issues. But the speed of things right now easily leaves those occurrences in the dust; the speed at which companies here have developed an enormous need for liquidity (more or less overnight) is frightening and huge. Airlines, tourism, hotels, and catering companies are particularly affected.
This is also the basis for the cases that are now coming to us and which we are currently advising on applying for state aid. These are enormous sums of money! After all, these are large companies that have had to put their business models completely or in large parts into hibernation – but they still have fixed costs. This results in extraordinary liquidity requirements. We will now see whether the changes in civil law will lead to the liquidity requirements becoming a little smaller, but nevertheless, we are of course talking about huge sums.
LW: Yes, I can understand that. We have been saying for quite some time now: we are surprised that many companies have not done their homework and – because they simply got cheap money – then had worked with the cash, and at the same time have not done everything that could help them now. I am not in a position to say whether such a thing could be tackled from a regulatory point of view. In any case, the fact is that too many companies lack sufficient liquidity cushions at the moment. In the case of groups of companies, such as banks, it is possible to take a regulatory approach, but for other companies it becomes more difficult.
LW: I believe that, in case of doubt, the companies that are “zombie companies” would also receive state support. There are certain parameters that have to be fulfilled in order for these companies to qualify for state support. There are various programs: there are federal programs, and of course there is also aid at the state level. In principle, parameters need to be met, such as the static level of indebtedness and the availability of equity capital on a certain date.
Here, the individual case must be examined. It is likely that many of these companies can meet these criteria and will then probably incur further debt. In this is the case, it will lead to a huge wave of financial restructuring once the effects of this pandemic have subsided. It could be different for very large companies; the laws have just been passed. In the case of very large companies, the state is planning to go into equity – which, by the way, makes total sense. With the large number of smaller companies, this will not be the case. This will result in all the financial restructuring and probably at a stage when we will not yet have the preventive restructuring framework in place. This preventive framework then becomes extremely important for
LW: I think it will be implemented earlier than planned, but it will take a few more months. If you follow all the discussions and talks at the BMJV, you know that the devil is in the details. It is a law that is not that long, but it is very complex. I think the BMJV already has a proposal in its pocket and is ready to bring it to the table relatively quickly. However, it would be useful if the draft law could first be put up for general discussion. An alternative would be to perhaps bring certain measures from the restructuring directive into force in the short term, but I do not expect this to happen.
LW: This is difficult to judge. I think, firstly, it depends of course on how long we have to deal with the problem. It may well be that in a few weeks you’ll be able to say that you can slowly get everything up and running again. But, in exactly the same way, a new corona wave can hit us. Let’s say that the latter will not be the case. Then the first thing that becomes critical is when the obligation to file for bankruptcy due to overindebtedness comes into effect again. Next, the annual financial statements at the end of 2020 will be relevant. Then, latest when the maturities of the existing loans and also the maturities of the loans now secured by the state expire, the next peak will follow. This will presumably be in 2021 and 2022 – perhaps even earlier because companies cannot exist with these debts for that long. It’s hard to say. It will probably extend over the next two years from now.
MH: We agree with that. Thank you very much for your time and the interview, Dr. Westpfahl.